Unique/interesting lighting styles (plug-in) you search for outside of stained/leaded/slag?

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Gothichome wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 12:46 am If I may be allowed to expand on Colonial’s words. There were also gas/electric combo’s as well. In the early days of municipal electrical systems many were undependable, so if you had original gas lighting and you converted to this new fangled electricity you had both available. But still they were pretty plain for the most part, a tube with a gas valve pointing up often with a simple shade and a set of wires following the tube to power the down turned bulb, often with a shade as well.
That's very true. Combo fixtures were offered in some of the catalogs I have from roughly the 1900 through 1920 timeframe, with their peak seeming to be in the late 19-oughts. I have been told this was because electricity was not the most reliable thing in the first couple of decades of its use.

SouthBend - your last pictures are exactly what a higher end turn-of-the-century combination fixture looked like. Looking at the bulb sockets on what would have originally been the electric lights (the ones pointed downward), I believe it to be an original.

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We were lucky in that some of the original fixtures remained here--a mix of Arts n' Crafts and working class bungalow. I'm not the best to advise on homes older than that, so defer to other District members (some of whom have already piped in here.)

I'm in the patiently find parts camp, which is partly due to cost too. We've had some odd luck at a regular ol' second hand store in town that sadly has since closed, and even ebay. Oddly, I've had an easier time finding glass shades than the usual fixtures that tend to be missing shades (and oft need rewiring), so I've gathered bits here and there and am getting closer to a few finished fixtures.

Oh, and I have to ask...is that Lincrusta I see in some of those pics?
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I believe it is Lincrusta, but I have done zero research on what that even is. Not sure if newer or older, as I still have a small sample/remnant in storage which makes me thing it was something the past homeowner might have put in?
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Here's an example of some of the wall sconces. There's probably a dozen in the house all together
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SouthBend wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 1:23 pm Here's an example of some of the wall sconces. There's probably a dozen in the house all together

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The first one appears to be cast brass and looks like a higher quality fixture. I could be wrong on this one, but without seeing the back or other details, I'd say it's from the '30s.

The second one is a very common style for a single arm sconce. Similar fixtures were made from the 1910s through the 1930s at least. A look at the socket will help date this one better.

The last one is a former gas/electric combo sconce. Looking at the bulb socket on the bottom, I'd say it's from the early to mid 1910s.

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I found a neat art glass lamp shade and then realized it wasn't a lamp shade , Its a spittoon. I dont see a lot of spittoons around now, especially with corona virus. I guess some cowboys still chew tobacco, no one in this city does.

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I think most of your lamps are period originals but not original to your home. Was the home built originally with gas then electrified? That would explain the mix of lighting. Lily, the embossed paper is still available it is generally referred to as anaglipta, very expensive and a nice period touch. Southbend, the fellow who restored your home didn’t compromise on the details.

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Gothichome wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 10:59 am Was the home built originally with gas then electrified? That would explain the mix of lighting.
That's what I'm thinking as well. Looks like they may have added electricity a little later, but kept the gas as backup for a while.

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1918ColonialRevival wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 2:25 pm
Gothichome wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 10:59 am Was the home built originally with gas then electrified? That would explain the mix of lighting.
That's what I'm thinking as well. Looks like they may have added electricity a little later, but kept the gas as backup for a while.
Guess there's no way of knowing if it was built with electricity? 1904 could go either way right? There used to be a gas newel post and believe gas going upstairs Heat was a big gravity/octopus unit in the basement.

Here's the other types of fixtures on both floors of the house. Have a feeling at least 2 of them aren't original for sure. The one labeled Hall is the area at the top of the stairs that the rooms open into; 5 of those lights.

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I'm seeing paddle switches with the Lightolier logo on a couple of your fixtures. Lightolier was established in 1904, but the logo on those switches puts them in the 1920s. The ceramic socket inside the one sconce looks to be an older replacement.

Since your house appears to be an older restoration, I'm thinking some of these fixtures may have been salvaged by whoever did the work. Or they could have just been added or replaced later. Others like the combination fixtures may date to when the house received electric service (I'm thinking this was probably about 1910 or so from the lights I've seen in your pictures). They all go well with the house.

One way to tell if your house probably had electricity originally is to research and see if it was available in your neighborhood when the house was built. My neighborhood was established in 1909 and most of the houses built during the first two or three years had both gas and electric fixtures. By about 1913, most buyers in this neighborhood opted for only electricity, though dual service was still an option up until about 1922. The reason I bring this up is 1909 is also when the power lines were extended over this way, so if there had been any pre-1909 houses in this neighborhood, gas lighting would have been the only option.

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